There are many ways to build a slab-on-grade (or frost-protected shallow foundation), the following is a step-by-step walk though of a thickened-edge slab floor we built. Slab homes are often built closer to the ground than homes with basements or crawl spaces, thus reducing the number of steps required to enter the home. Since this is usually impractical, an alternative There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Oh, and we'll be needing rebar in the hole, too. I expect that job is ready for a remodel by now. The finished area was about 24x30. Some people find the lower-to-the-ground look of a slab house unattractive. Doesn't sound liek a PE. Mind you, this is all happening in the very dark, likely damp (even in NawLous'ana) soil, in cramped muggy conditions. Then, cut the slab the exact size of the room. it was a lot of work back when labor was cheap! Depending on  the age of the house,the underbelly might be somewhat smooth due to insulation. After they had their outside perimeter foundation system in place  they erected another block retaining wall down the center of the house and poured the basement floor. That's why slabs have rebar - the steel provides the tensile strength that the concrete doesn't have. - M.K. Also, I added profile info. Seems to me a separate exit to the outside would be needed in the interests of safety (I intend to use the space as storm protectionas well as storage). The Sabine River. You should talk this over with a structural engineer and let them explain the hazards of your plan - as well as ways to safely do this. Because the concrete slab is designed to sit on the ground, not to span an open basement, it is nowhere strong enough to do that without a number of heavy beams under it, spanning from foundation wall to wall. Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features. I wondered, though, if they realized: if the car was in the garage and a storm hit, the car would have to be moved out of the garage before the shelter could be used. I have a 1964 rambler home with a heated room under the garage. Just what correctional facility are you enrolled in? Wanting to do similar but getting pushback from various people. It might be possible to hire a house mover to slide beams at critical points under the slab. Yeah, a couple of week's worth--better than ten or more tunneling like it's the Great Escape, though. TO BUILDING A REINFORCED CONCRETE SLAB-ON-GROUND Ten STEPS Following these ten steps will give you a top-class steel-reinforced concrete slab-on-ground — the preferred footing and flooring solution for housing. Most people have a slab floor in their basement.Generally it will be not be a problem, but water can seep under the slab. HI, I would like to talk to anyone who has added a basement room under an existing slab, by sawing an opening in the thin part of the slab and excavating underneath, then added a floor and walls, etc. A "temporary" door for construction access will not go amiss, either. How to build a slab-on-grade with a thickened edge on standard soil. However, concrete is porous. What You Need to Know About Buying a House on a Concrete Slab, Less Risk of Damage from Flooding or Leaking of Gasses, Disadvantages of Concrete Slab Foundations, Heating and Cooling Units Use Above-ground Space, Federal Housing Administration (FHA) Loan. ?http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=52586.2Maybe you have me on ignore! I'm sorry, I thought you wanted it done the right way. 8). In the words of Clint Eastwood......."Do you feel lucky?". This should probably be in Construction Techniques (but I don't think anyone would complain if it was in General Discussion. Now if you could jack the house and change the foundation that would work. What I was thinking of was removing the slab inside the under-stairs closet, where the basement stairs would have been anyway. '"So what am I?? Concrete slab foundations are more common in states with warm climates where the ground is less likely to freeze and cause the foundation to … Excellence is its own reward! This is particularly true when a builder has to carve a basement out of solid rock—a very expensive proposition. The decision to buy or build a home on a concrete slab depends in good part on the climate where the house is located and on your budget. So that's why there was mention of 350 buckets of earth to move. They excavated enough of the perimeter to pour a footing and lay about 10 feet of block wall at a time. Here's a look at the pros and cons that come with a slab foundation. There is currently no insulation under the slab, and the room under the garage has a low ceiling (approx 7 ft). The entrance to your secret room The slab needs to slope 1/8 inch per foot, so a sloped ledge was designed into the exterior foundation walls for the steel decking to rest on. A slab foundation is a large, thick slab of concrete that's used as the substructural base of a home, which is the lowest load-bearing part of a building and extends below ground level. Cost savings is one of the biggest advantages. Besides, anyone knows a Cajun can't have a basement, it would be full of water. We would appreciate it if you could fill some of that in, especially where you are located!! Furthermore, the site sat for a month before construction got underway during which time several rainfalls aided compaction. Building a new home and thinking of putting a theater room under the garage. Building a Sunroom Floor - Be Sure Your Floor Will Last Typical wood floor construction requires 18” diameter sonotubes, which are concrete filled to the ground level, 48 inches below grade. To prepare the slab bedding, use road base or crusher dust of a reasonable thickness based on building codes. A do-it-yourselfer with basic skills can save the cost of a professional by pouring a small concrete slab to support an outdoor oil tank. This gets the concrete below frost level (see Design for climate) Natural ventilationmust be provided for in the design, to allow heat stored in the slab to dissipate on summer evenings, particularly for slabs on u… In other words, you are replacing concrete walls with a much more affordable and energy efficient wall assembly. I understand Alcatraz is solid rock. In real estate, a short sale is when a homeowner in financial distress sells their property for less than the amount due on the mortgage. In this video Andrew Donkin shows you how to lay a concrete slab. Understanding the key benefits and disadvantages of both foundation types is crucial. An air-conditioning unit and furnace may also have to be installed on the ground floor, which means that they will take up room that might otherwise be used for other purposes. Randy, just dig the room under the slab. Previously I put a room under the porch and topped it with hollow core concrete and poured the final concrete over that. Forming the concrete slab is the most important part of the task, making sure it … For what you want to do location is everything, soil type, drainage, etc. I sure wish I had one now, though. But if you have a lot of time on your hands, I don't see that it wouold necessarily cost you that much - but now if I were doing the work - it would cost an arm and a leg. Hey there the lion,  The thread you are responding to is 11 years old... Lol! If the basement must be under the existing slab, then rather than excavate through the slab and attempt to keep the weight above from falling and the earth from trickling down the sides of the pit, an external approach might be more feasible. Apr 16, 2015 - Pouring a concrete slab yourself can be a big money-saver or big mistake. Ductwork for heating and air conditioning is usually run through the ground-floor ceiling, which means that it must be heavily insulated to retain the proper temperature. That's why you may have gooten some "noise" in this thread. What's the difference between a coona$$ and a dumba$$ ? Pick a spot on the perimeter closest to the basement location and tunnel inward, building your shoring and then your footings and foundation walls as you go. Then, we have to get wall up. People in my area don't typically have basements, and few of the builders know how to build them, so I was afraid to try to build one. There is still a lot of caveats. We are in the planning phase and were wondering if anyone has done this and is it costly? There is no need to wait the several days it takes for the concrete in a poured basement to cure and dry. Please feel free to post again in one of those folders. When it comes to building your own home and home’s foundation, deciding upon which type of concrete foundation to utilize is a critical first step. Your home's concrete slab, which it sits on ,actually serves as your homes subfloor. Concrete slabs on grade and basement slabs are weak and vulnerable to the detrimental effect of moisture which may lead to various problems. I've put basements under "regular" houses but never one built on a slab. Ok, for those of you who don't get it, the Sabine separates Texas from Louisiana. Probably never read my signature line either. :)Rich BeckmanAnother day, another tool. So, we get this hole made, now it will need about 2 yards of concrete for footings and slab, about 30-35 buckets worth, back down the hole. Very generally, concrete is great for compression loading but is very poor in tension. A home equity loan is a consumer loan secured by a second mortgage, allowing homeowners to borrow against their equity in the home. If you click on your name above (where it says "To: RandyR"), you will open your profile. Before you get started throwing up a shed on your concrete slab, you’ll need to give it a thorough inspection. Chopped liver?? Among the factors that can result in a slab cracking are tree roots, soil displacement, earthquakes, or frozen ground. Oh well hell yer Cajun, go ahead and do it! So What Does Your Homeowner Association (HOA) Do For You? The by supporting the slab you could dig out from under. A concrete foundation is an essential part of any building, vital to a home’s overall value and safety. The concrete slab is often placed on a layer of sand for drainage or to act as a cushion. Shhhh, He doesn't want Col Klink to know he's building it! Leveling an area, building a wood form, and pouring a concrete slab for a pre-built delivered shed. You have a rock-hard concrete floor and it seems impervious to water intrusion. This normally comes down to slab-on-grade foundation versus basement foundation. Think of it as a horizontal application of vertical slip forming. I know this would be expensive. Some foundations have post tension cables or are reinforced with steel rods called rebar so that the slab can bearing the weight of the house. By building a slab-on-grade home, you are choosing to substitute foundation walls with above-ground walls. So basically you would have to raise the entire slab including the home and then engineer a way to HI, I saw recently a web site where a man described a prefab storm shelter which was installed in his garage by sawing a rectangle out of the slab and excavating enough soil to set the shelter into the hole; it sat underneath his car when he parked it in the garage; sort of like a "grease pit" with a steel lid. Leave the four corners intact and get three buddies to simultaneously finish the corner cuts. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." You need to pay more attention. The nested ribs of the decking add integral beams to the concrete, strengthening the slab. This will ensure that the concrete slab rests on a firm base and that the concrete slab does not start cracking. We show you the best techniques for concrete forms. Living rooms should face north in all but hot humid climates, to enable winter sun to invest warmth into the slab. An FHA 203(k) loan provides the money needed for purchase, repairs and related expenses for individuals who want to buy and rehabilitate a damaged home. Sand was the substrate of choice. Despite the advantages of this type of construction, a concrete slab is not for every house site or homeowner. If you are really keen on this, do as was posted before, cut the entire "ceiling" of the proposed room out ahead of time. You're responding to a thread 11 years old. That mean geting mortar in quantity into the hole, down the narrow stair case opening. Working from the bottom up is so much easier than working in the dark all hunched over waiting for the trickle of earth to become an avalanche. What Is Buying a House on a Concrete Slab? If you're really serious about this talk to a good structural engineer. A pro shows you how to build strong concrete forms, place a solid slab and They may have some helpful ideas if approached on a good day. If we use your 8 x10 space as an example, you're stiull looking at 9' to 9'-6" of excavation. What kind of engineering? For improved insulation. In many cases, the home buyer can shave as much as $10,000 off the cost of the house. I'm thinking that your idea has some soundness, but not the intended execution. Building a House Step by Step - Concrete Slabs - Framing the House STEP 7: Concrete Slabs - Basements and garages (1-2 days) AND, STEP 8: House Framing and carpentry (1-3 weeks) Concrete flatwork, also called a concrete slab, for a basement and/or a garage floor, can now be constructed. Use these tips to keep cables tight and straight for a professional-looking deck-railing job. !Rich BeckmanAnother day, another tool. Maybe just save yourself some headache (literally) and a whole bunch of money by building an addition to your house and putting the safe room basement under that. If you do not know how to design for soil shear characteristics and retaining wall design (or unwilling to learn), I'd shy away from a full basement attempt. Wrong, I may be redneck, but not Cajun (north Louisiana). You really need to learn some things about the strengths (and weaknesses) of concrete before you do something really foolish there. In this webinar building-science expert Peter Yost shares what he's learned over years of using blower doors, IR cameras, and other diagnostic tools so you can make the most of your test results. This is particularly true if the siding is made of wood and sits on the ground. Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. A home inspection is an examination of the condition and safety of a real estate property. Nope, I don't; just clean missed it in your post. Just a thought for you. Mea culpa.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba). Steel-reinforced slabs, typically between 100 and 500 mm thick, are most often used to construct floors and ceilings, while thinner … That's sounding like a lot of work, though, isn't it? One of the most significant potential disadvantages is if the slab cracks. Also, you posted this thread in the wrong folder. I disagree. Without knowing your soil type, even a hole with new wood floor over the  slab removed above to within 4ft of wall, and leaving 4 ft dirt embankment underneath during new basement wall pour may be very risky, as in sink hole. but if a cajun had a basement full of water, he be making money as a crawfish farm. That's 720 to 760 cubic feet (about 27 yards of material), or more than 350 bucket-fulls. Concrete is porous. You will not enjoy excavating by 5 gallon bucket through the stairwell. The house is then constructed on top of this concrete foundation. © 2020 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved. Pouring a concrete slab for your new home addition can save you money if you do the job yourself. Here are five reasons to select this type of base for a house: It takes less time for a concrete slab to dry. Storm shelter does not need an exterior egress, per se. This gave me the idea. Less downtime means that construction can move along without delay. Concrete may be tough as rock, but with the … A slab foundation is made of concrete that is typically 4"–6" thick in the center. Slab foundations minimize the risk of damage from flooding or the leaking of gas, such as radon, from a basement or crawl space into the house. Here are some helpful tips to ensure that each step of the job is done properly. Here in Florida, most building foundations are concrete slab. The foundation that your house is built on can have a major impact on the structural integrity of your home. If you are considering building or buying a home on a concrete slab, there are a number of benefits and drawbacks that need to be considered. The garage slab is reinforced concrete in good condition. Easy access is advantageous for those who are less physically able. Since nobody elese said it, I will, "Welcome to BT.". Oh, and because Murphy requires it, you will have a soil pipe, the main house water line, and at least one other utility right in the way to cope with, too. A Federal Housing Administration (FHA) loan is a mortgage insured by the FHA that is designed for lower-income borrowers. 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